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  • #486
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    I have been so busy the last couple of years with new flavours and bespoke that I have had little time to consider our snuff heritage.  I want to look back and try making some Rappee.  Is there any in particular you think I should attempt?

    • This topic was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by Roderick.
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    #641
    Oliver Slevin
    Participant

    I think you’re starting at the right point (reflection with reflexivity). You’ll know, I’m sure, TS Eliot’s quote: ‘Time present and time past Are both perhaps present in time future, And time future contained in time past’.
    I’m thinking about ‘possibles’ and any ideas will come back.
    At this point three doves named Rappee, Berwick and Black are fluttering around in my craniosphere 😎 Would be great to start off with an extension of an established Toque classic. Black, coarse and moist (by definition, of course). And (personal preference) plain and higher in nicotine. Thus (it worked for those ‘other guys’ 😊 with Brunswick), lose the mild scenting – just well sweated leather plus light smokiness tobacco. And, on the nicotine, I do it myself anyway – a quarter teaspoon of Toque Rustica goes into my Berwick Brown snuffbox, ‘matter of course”.

    #718
    Picklefist
    Participant

    It’s no secret, ol’ Al/Olie/PF loves me some menthol. I want to love a plain, but I have not come across a rich plain that really moves me. Quit is good, but I’m not “in love”. Best one if tried, so far. I really tried hard to love Kendal plains, but just don’t. Need to order a few more to try.

    #829
    Anonymous

    I don’t know if anybody remember Jaap’s Choco-Latakia snuff from De Kralingse…a fantastic snuff that was made from dark-fired kentucky with choco aroma!

    I would like to see a very strong (nicotine and scent) dark-fired kentucky choco scented or better …pine scented!

    #2039
    Oliver Slevin
    Participant

    So plain, strong, depth, high-ish on nicotine, perhaps some complexity. I’d suggest:

    Viking snuff: Viking Dark, Viking Dark Rappee, Viking Brown.

    Wilson’s of Sharrow: Best Dark. There’s a slight background bergamot scenting, but it’s so much a backnote, even Wilson’s themselves have declassified it as an SP and categorise it as Plain. And their Brunswick. In its current iteration it has been de-scented and is sold as BRUNSWICK Black Rapee (they spell it with one P).

    Samuel Gawith: Black Rappee (they use the old 2-P spelling) and Scotch Dark (which I think is a blend including Black Rappee as a base anyway).

    Sir Walter Scott’s: St James Parish. A Virginia – Rustica – Perique blend. Very potent. Has a slight citrus smell, but it’s definitely Plain. The aroma has much to do with the Perique – a Burley leaf that has undergone extensive high pressure anaerobic fermentation.

    My own two go-to’s of this lot are St James Parish (to which I add a little extra Toque Rustica) and Best Dark. Happy Hunting!

    #2877
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    Bobby, I remember that and still have some.  I know it wasn’t a rappee but knowing Jaap and his weird ideas he might have added some.

    #2879
    Courier Six
    Participant

    If Toque comes out with something dark, strong, moist, and a little coarser than the usual, I’d give it a go. I’ve been really getting friendly with SG Silky Dark, and I’d love to see a Toque competitor to it.

    #2880
    Oliver Slevin
    Participant

    I remember it, but by name only. Never tried it. I think I had almost all the Molens except possibly the Choco-L and one I think was named Gingerbread. And I have dwindling stashes still of 6 or 7. Perhaps the reason is obvious – I’m just not into confectionery snuffs. I assume if it was a Latakia tobacco used, it would have been fairly light on the nicotin. And would not anyway have met the criterion of a hi-nic rappee someone pined for (if you’ll excuse the pine pun 😎).

    #2881
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    Oliver,

    You are, as usual, spot on.  It was a lovely snuff but you had to take a pinch and then another of something stronger.  I found all of Jaaps snuffs delightful but little light in nicotine.  If we can encourage him out of retirement we might coax an answer.

    #2883
    Picklefist
    Participant

    I would love to see a toque version of a dark, just as you described, but I’ve been hunting something with a richer aroma than they’ve been. Think cheap coffee grounds against a profoundly rich coffee bean scent. This, by the way, is what I was hoping Espresso would be like, but I have craved a plain, that I’ve never had, as well. Something with a rich scent, like a good pressed pipe tobacco cake, moist and fragrant.

    #9060
    Nulliverse
    Participant

    I agree with Oliver that the Viking line in the best place to start. Viking Dark, Viking Dark Rappee, Viking Brown and Thors Hammer are my favourite plains. SG Black Rapee and Scotch Dark come as very close seconds. There’s just something about the Viking grinds that win me over.

    #9112
    Oliver Slevin
    Participant

    Yes you’re right, Nulliverse. Some good old snuffs there – some older than others – as starting points. It reminded me of my waffling on earlier about TS Eliot’s poem and the reflexive movements between things present, past and future. I suspect that was/is an important realisation with the practitioners of sorcery, necromancy, alchemy etc. – and of course snuff millers (😂).

    That whole area of snuffing within which the dark rappees dwell is a very discrete arena. And the snuff makers who do it well have developed that over the course of decades if not centuries. My initial thoughts, which I kept to myself earlier, was – this is maybe a step too far for Roderick. But then I remembered the idea of a Toque-Otto schmalzler, when my reaction was also “What! Cool yer Jets, matey.” And of course, there it is now, on the market, the excellent Otto Snuff Schmalzler. It IS a schmalzler, and it’s certainly one of my Top Five.

    #9310
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    Like minds and all that.  I am working on a new line of amazing rappee snuffs.  This is the normal aged rappee but with a twist.  I am using rappee in the same way as I would a base sort. The twist is I am adding 18th century flavours that we have sadly lost over the years. Some are bang up to date and others are rather questionable. I might have to ask for volunteers for a panel to consider if we should bring the more unusual sorts back.

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    #9344
    Picklefist
    Participant

    I don’t have the most discerning nose, And I’ve never even tried a rapee. I don’t know if that’s an advantage, or a disadvantage. I’m always game to try something different, though. There’s a lot of guys out there who are rapee Connoisseurs, who might be more help, but I’m here if you need me. Always. 😉

    #9426
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    Thanks Picklefist,

    Our first Guinea pig. I promise not to hurt you.

    #9432
    Picklefist
    Participant

    I don’t mind getting beat up a little. I’m socially, an irresponsible masochist. 😉

    #9457
    Monty
    Participant

    I would be happy to volunteer

    #9461
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    Monty welcome onboard.  When we get 10 volunteers, I’ll send the tasters out for you to try.  Email me your addresses,  roderick@toquesnuff.com

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 9 months ago by Roderick.
    #9464
    JetfixerJason
    Participant

    I’m a snuff noob, but I’m always happy to try new stuff.

    #9467
    Picklefist
    Participant

    I will have to order a few other rappee tins for comparison. Any suggestions, Roderick, anybody?

    #9669
    Roderick
    Keymaster

    Viking is good, as is Mullins & Westley.  SWS is another great one, if it isn’t mouldy.

    #9680
    Picklefist
    Participant

    I’ll order some of that next and start getting a feelz.

    #14936
    Gary Lupton
    Participant

    Here’s an idea for a rappee for you that might be a little ‘off the wall’ so to speak. My lockdown project has been to grow a few dozen plants of my own tobacco, specifically Burley and Havana 608. After colour curing and 3 months in the kiln, I de-vein it and compress it into plug with a vice, inside the piston of a front brake caliper from a car. This leaves me with a ‘puck’ of tobacco around the size of a snuff tin, which I grate into a coarse snuff whenever I need some. I understand that using a rasp like this is a very old-school way to make snuff and it has several benefits: the coarseness can be controlled by the fineness of the rasp used and the pressure applied, the tobacco flavours stay extremely fresh as they’re captured inside the puck, and a very small container can contain a high mass of compressed tobacco. One of the 10g tins could likely hold 25g of plug. As far as I know, nobody is making snuff designed to be grated like this any more. Just an idea.

    #14964
    Jeremy Lemoine
    Participant

    Bonjour Roderick,

    Encore une excellente idée après Artisant snuff.

    Pour ma part, même si je ne plonge mon nez la dedans que pour la détente du W.E (santo domingo, viking dark)  j’aimerai quelque chose qui emplit le nez de cette odeur d’ecurie, comme l’odeur particulière de Neffa ifrikia dans un tabac moelleux. Je suis d’accord aussi sur une nicotine supérieure, que le voyage soit doublement exquis.

    Je n’ai pas un nez très développé mais si vous avez besoin d’un cobaye supplémentaire j’en serais ravie.

    Bonne amusement dans cette aventure !

     

     

     

    #15094
    Pennanngalan
    Participant

    All that I will say is that I am excited to try the Dark Rappee that is now headed my way!

    #15131
    Pennanngalan
    Participant

    Yes sir!

    My order arrived today, and I must say… this Dark Rappee is everything I could have hoped!  Excellent job Roderick!

    #26705
    SuperSnuff
    Participant

    Old traditional snuff is way to go, new trendy stuff is awful.

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